So Ultimate Gohan is stronger then SS3 Goku. Where . if he didnt run out of time he would have wiped super buu out. 130 Lv. When he was near Super Buu he knew that Super Buu wouldn't let him reach his full power and that Gohan could defeat him on his own anyways. But still, Goku wouldn't make that gamble unless Gotenks was at least near Fat Buu's power. Plus Kid Buu is stronger then super Buu. Apologies for those not remotely interested in DBZ, but this got removed from that subreddit and I was told to post it here. I do not believe they were equal, since he clearly was pounding on Gohan. goku wanted to wish gohan and gotenks to the battlefield. Default loss. and your wrong. Lets put it like this Super Dragon Ball Heroes: Dark Demon Realm Mission! Very good point. This trait could actually make Kid Buu more formidable. 16:32, August 21, 2011 (UTC), It was stated in the manga that Ultimate Gohan was stronger than SSJ3 Goku and SSJ3 Gotenks. Still, Buutenks was certainly stronger than Kid Buu, so Ultimate Gohan edges it out but it's way closer than you stated. goku stated that he could PROBLY beat kid buu( my opinion the strongest buu cause vegeta said his power increased after piccolo, gohan, goten, trunks buu was released). Kid Buu is the pure Majin Buu. Gohan wasn't there, the kids weren't there, they didnt have any other guy that could fight buu. Even though he knows of them. Ultimate Gohan, since he is stronger than SSJ Gotenks & SSJ3 Goku No, kid buu because he's like 50 times stronger than gohan buu, and it only took gotenks buu to beat him. Press J to jump to the feed. Goku just stated that SSJ1 Gotenks is eitheir stronger then him or at least around his SSJ3 strenght. Its all in the training. super buu also had fat buu absorbed so he wasn't able to freely use his full potential because fat buu made him a little weaker. Now one other notible thing is when Buutenks reverted to Piccolo Buu. all he means is that gotenks is stronger in base so he must be stronger in ssj too. So yes, Ultimate Gohan is stronger than a Super Saiyan 3. So this already says SSJ1 Gotenks >= SSJ3 Goku. gotenks is a fighting genius with natural talent beyond that of any full blooded saiyan. It is obvious that Kid buu is weaker than Super Buu because Goku could na.ot even handle Fat Buu. Especially due to the fact he believes SSJ1 Gotenks can beat Majin Buu, while he had to go SSJ3 to even combat him. Ultimate Gohan is definatly far stronger then SSJ3 Goku. Then people say Goku was scared of Super Buu. I don't think SSJ3 Goku was as storng as super buu in the canon of the manga, so I guess so. By Movie 13 and 14, SSJ3 Goku is stronger than Mystic Gohan and SSJ3 Gotenks, who had previously been stronger than him. piccolo thought blowing up the door was better than letting gotenks fight more. He wouldn't say that he "might" have a chance when his old SSJ level could do nothing against Buu. gotenks never had a chance and i doubt gotenks had increased that much in a week. as i recall, gotenks went ssj3 without anyone ever showing him how. of course gotenks fought him hand to hand! SS3 Gotenks was pretty even with Super Buu. 9:00. Goku thought Gotenks would be a match for Fat Buu not Super Buu, meaning he didn't rank their power that highly. I know Buu said he was warming up, but Gotenks was clearly dominating the fight. Gotenks is a fighting genius?! Search. Now, in Wrath of the Dragon, when fighting against Hirudagarn, Ultimate Gohan gets pummeled. Goku in SSJ3 could have taken Fat Buu if he really tried. Gohan also gets smashed in like 2 hits. 135 Lv. There are a couple times where its implied that Gohan is stronger. and Gotenks had a pretty rough time fighting him. Gohan (孫 悟飯, Son Gohan) is the first son of Goku and Chi-Chi. Now, the Manga doesn't have any filler, and it NEVER states anywhere (Japanese or Englsih) who is stronger Goku or Gohan. He even said Gohan can handle Piccolo Buu. such as: techniques, character relationships, internal back-history, its universe, and more. remember that goku said if he was full power he could destroy kid buu but he couldnt reach full power as he had wasted too much energy already. cell supressed his power. It is implied that Gohan is, since it is his unlocked potential. So, no. Why did he never tell him about his power and that he would destroy the universe until he came. 2) Goku had trouble fighting fat majin buu while gohan took no effort into making super buu his *****, and super buu is much more powerful than majin buu. For all his power with fusion, the only thing he was able to amount to was being <= to Super Buu. Ultimate Gohan was stronger than SSJ3 Gotenks, who fought Super Buu, and Goku said he couldnt beat Super Buu. As you recall, when you witness someone achieve a level of SSj, it makes it a hole lot easier to understand how to do it. Gotenks is already above Goku and we know Gohan is above even that. In terms of smartness, although Gohan has attended college (only dbz character to do this iirc) Superman, however has outsmarted extremely genius villains like Lex Luthor, and Brainiac. Goku would whip Gohan because of battle experience and being a full-blooded saiyan, but given the same age and experience level Gohan would kill Goku. You're wrong. I strongly believe ultimate gohan would kick *** because 1) gohan uses much less energy in this form while goku uses much of his energy in the 3rd form. In the other world, ss3 is strongest because his energy consumption is a lot less rapid. They do not state that he the most powerful, they do say he is the most dangerous. The main issue here is SSJ3 massively drains power, while Ultimate is a regular SSJ form without the stupidly powerful power drain. He became tired right at the end of the battle. no they were not useless. gohan was simply overpowered power wise, and that is how it is in every dub and manga, not just funi. Goku had fought at full power, in the new state he had unlocked, Super Saiyan 3, but even that proved to be too little to stop the monster. he had 5 years training uub to master ssj3. Goku was wrong about how much energy it would take for him to hit his full power and he was most likely wrong about his full power being able to beat Kid Buu. However, goku might have said that gotenks is stronger. Personally, I think Ultimate Gohan is stronger, but there are a few weird things that could make it go either way. The first time was with the Elder Namekian, also known as Guru on Planet Namek, and the second time was with the Elder Supreme Kai back in Dragon Ball Z. its in the chapter where goku is just finished fighting kid buu. Goku even said in the anime himself Gotenks is stronger then him. He stated that he could've beaten Fat Buu when he first encountered him. Reliable evidence from the Buu saga implies that Gohan > Gotenks > Goku. buuhan>super buu>kid buu>hirudegan>fat buu, Movies aren't canon so I wouldn't read too much into it. no one believes that, especially piccolo. Base Gotenks = SSj3 Goku, WTF! base gotenks > ssj3 goku. Ok, now Buiccolo lost the power of Gotenks SSJ3, but in place gained the power of SSJ Trunks and SSJ Goten along with Piccolo's power. SSJ3 Goku also fought Buutenks for a minute, he did a terrible job and was also thrashed like a child. if you wish to make a point, why don't you actually try posting something rather than editing other people's posts? It's specifically not a SSJ form as Gohan says as much. It's never really properly explained how powerful Gohan is after the elder Kai unlocks his potential, so who would win in a fight during that saga - SSJ3 Goku or Ultimate Gohan? Gohan thrashed Super Buu. Sure they untapped his true power but that doesnt mean thats his full strength. you missed him saying "like this" meaning goku and vegeta were too SMALL to do anything. (Piccolo was about equal to a SSJ Goku). Gogeta was a stretch because Gogeta defeated Janemba instantly. But still Ultimate Gohan is stronger than SSJ3 Goku.BardockGoku 08:19, October 22, 2011 (UTC). 0 losses. That's just his lower half. , so perhaps he could beat Super Buu as badly as Ultimate Gohan did. Goku was sure Gotenks was going to be this awesome fighter, but he didn't think that all that power in the hands of someone who doesn't know what to do with it, is well useless. Goku had to achieve the incomplete version of Ultra Instinct before he could attain a victory over Kefla. SSJ3 Gotenks > SSJ3 Goku > Base Gotenks. Turns out it was SSj Gotenks (Pre-RoSaT), who was equal to SSj3 Goku's level (although, this was before Goku stated that, had he went Full Power SSj3 on Majin Buu, he'd kill him). Goku held his fighting with kid buu whereas gohan was easily defeated by buu+piccolo+gotenks. SSJ3 Goktenks fought evenly or superior to Super Buu. So, in other words, in a fight between Mystic Gohan and Goku, Mystic Gohan stomps. Obviously he was comparing kid buu with buu+goten+trunks+piccolo and he said kid buu was strong or at least equal. Goku [Ssj3] + Vegeta [Ssj2] vs Ultimate Gohan + Gotenks - May 8, 15; Buutenks vs Ultimate Gohan, Gotenks SSjin3, Goku SSjin3, Vegeta SSjin Enraged - Apr 1, 14; Thaddeuspawlett78. Gotenks WOULD NOT beat Goku as he lacks the skill to fight at that level. Ultimate Gohan wouldn't have last anywhere near as long as ssj3 goku against kid buu, If he would have survived at at all. Janemba4eva 19:45, October 21, 2011 (UTC). So this guy's question is invalid anyways. so just stop. plenty of times in the original manga. Also, about the debate above, Gohan is a LOT stronger/faster than Goku, but seriously lacks fighting instincts. So people need to stop using that as evidence. However the anime made SSJ3 seem stronger. gohan was immensely strong but not as strong as goku. their potential is higher than gohans, practically limitless. Some people would say that he wants the next gen to fight Buu, well this was the case when Goku was dead and i totally agree. Not sure why, but people didn't like the fact he was the hero of the Cell saga and the Buu Saga. like gohan vs cell. Watch this and then honestly tell whether they were comparing him with fat buu or buuhan. Goku said Gotenks was stronger then him. It is quite obvious. TheDragonThatHasLongSinceForgottenHisName 02:29, November 2, 2011 (UTC) I think is speak for EVERYONE when I say GT Goku SSJ3 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ultimate Gohan. it is very annoying. Wtf your actually telling me that Goku was not strnger than Gohan in GT?! not gohan. "no he doesnt. ULTIMATE Gohan vs SS3 goku MANGA ONLY Dragon Ball - General This is a split board - You can return to the Split List for other boards. . no goku has almost never won a battle where hes the weaker fighter without genki dama. Goku and Majin Vegeta are evenly matched while in their SSJ2 forms. When was there any evidence that Goku wasn't stronger than Super Buu? 06:35, August 16, 2011 (UTC). So now we know for a fact that Gohan > SSJ3 Gotenks. the only reason goku used genki dama was because he put his faith in vegetas plan to use the people of earths power to save themselves. Why do people say Goku couldn't beat Fat Buu when he clearly said he could but he didn't want to? "Super Buu has two Kais absorbed in him while Kid Buu has nothing in him" That IS proof. Because it is very clear Gotenks and Ultimate Gohan greatly outclass Goku. You who writes in bold, where the fuck did you get it in your head that Super Buu is SO much stronger than Kid Buu. if both android 17 and perfect cell can defeat freeza, this doesnt mean cell = 17. Goku is Stronger than Ultimate Gohan when goku was powering up every one felt it even in the kai's world but when Gohan was powering up it was felt only in the kai's world. Only when Super Buu absorbed Gotenks SSJ3 and Picollo did he lose his ground. Take a look So in real life it's Gohan, and don't know if goku or gotenks because goku said he want sure if he could beat fat buu mainly because of his energy consumption rate but he also said he wanted to give someone else the chance of beating buu because he said he doesn't have the right to kill buu because he's dead It's not that he was weaker it's because he can't just power up to full right away. And a big factor in a fight would be the energy output of both fighters. This is the same Super Buu that Ultimate Gohan effortlessly walked all over. I always thought it was said that SSJ3 Goku could've rotflstomped Fat Buu had he tried. and gohan didnt even look one bit short of breath when he gave his energy. Goku told Majin Buu that "a fighter even stronger then me is coming". The question is asking if Ultimate Gohan is stronger than a SSJ3 not SSJ3 Gotenks or Goku. So Ultimate Gohan < SSJ3 Goku. Now this is about Ultimate Gohan. On top of that AFTER he fought Kid Buu he said at full power he could beat him so obviously at full power he's stronger as he knew what Kid's strength was when he made that statement. he still has the power level. ssj3 gotenks was definitely more powerful than super buu. Goku had only used the transformation like maybe 4 times. "Gohan is the strongest non-fused character at the end of Dragon Ball.". When they ripped Fat Buu out he expected Buu to get weaker to where he didn't have to worry bout being full power but he didn't, it was the opposite, he got stronger cause the Fat Kai's influence was gone. read it again. stop editing posts. Majin Goku was created when the deceased Babidi worked his evil magic on our hero. "wrong. gohan doesnt suck and he did train. Kid Buu is insane, that is why he cannot express thing like Super Buu. What? Afterwards he laughed it off. whereas goku was weaker than kid buu. On the other hand, when Piccolo Buu was made, Goku said "Gohan can take you now". And try to remove the father/son dynamic as being a contributing factor. What, so your saying Goku at SS3 could pound Super Buu the way Gohan did?Gohan is Supreme, Supreme is Gohan. So overall, this has to be enough evidence to say Ultimate Gohan > SSJ3 Gotenks >>>> SSJ3 Goku. GT is canon you fucking idiot. He sucks ok, at best he is equal with Super Buu. As Vegeta never turns Ssj3 it would be difficult to decide whether Ultimate Gohan is stronger or Ssj3. It's pretty simple, besides a FPSSJ3 or MSSJ3 to where it wouldn't drain his energy, would be more than enough for Ultimate Gohan. And he said even him and Vegeta together can't beat Super Buu. He defeated Kais that were supposed 1000 times stronger than Frieza who was at 60 million at 100 percent and assuming earth had 6 billion people living on it averaging in strength anywhere from 4-10 plus some of Gohan's ten to tens of billions and the Z fighters's combined hundreds of millions probably close to or over half way to a billion with Goku's restored power on top of it when started pushing it back. In the following blog, we would learn how Gohan transformed into Ultimate Gohan or should I say Mystic Gohan. no he didnt. So that says SSJ3 Goku and SSJ2 Vegeta fighting together can't beat Super Buu. 1 Summary 2 Powers and Stats 3 Others 4 Discussions Son Gohan is the eldest son of Son Goku and Chi-Chi, and one of the primary heroes of the second half of Dragon Ball. Gohan achieved the Mystic form which is even stronger than Goku’s Super Saiyan 3 yeah you heard it right the Mystic Gohan is way more powerful than the Super Saiyan 3 Goku. READ THE MANGA WATCH THE ANIME! 07:11, August 15, 2011 (UTC). here kid buu is shown to have been damaged by ssj3 goku, an impressive feat. SS2 is only a 2 times multiplier. So I guess I would say Mystic Gohan. So Goku's energy would run out a lot faster than Gohan's, leaving him very tired and a lot weaker. You saying your smarter than me has no basis, and saying "thousands of times weaker" just proves how much of an iidot you are. AT originally said it but later he said the opposite, the guy really got shit for making Gohan the successor to Goku. Some follow the Manga. you say goku could not handle fat buu? In Battle of Gods, SSJ3 Goku was destroyed, he was beat in 2 hits maybe 3. You guys may also be forgetting how Gotenks has a significant amount of fighting potential. Ok SSJ3 Goku only got one hit in on Buutenks. so goku > super buu. When Vegeta and Goku say that Kid Buu>Super buu it was when it was transform to the Ultimade Buu when he absorve the North kai That strong Kai. This is the only thing we have than can draw a clear winner. look what happened. Specialbeamkamehameha 15:28, August 13, 2011 (UTC). well it wasnt. He compared the results he thought he'd get by fusing with Vegeta, to Gotenks. It is important we must stop the debate here as thing r very unclear. - SSjin 3 Goku vs Super Buutenks (Full Power) = Fight barely lasts 5 or so minutes, but Goku actually manages to tussle with Buutenks, blast him away with ki (better than anything Gohan managed) and even engage in a super-speed clash. Supreme Gohan! 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