Is that really a Big Surprise to anyone??? Notably, control locations have been disputed before in the phone arena, successfully unfortunately. Yes I like Cowen’s excellent field tests – they are not evidence based nor scientific and he admits as much. It’s irrelevant to reply with mention of other products being made in China because that doesn’t refute the fact that Holosun is owned by the Chinese communist regime. “Trijicon sues competitor for making superior products at a lower cost.” Yeah, I said it. From the law suit: …the Holosun red dot sights that infringe one or more claims of the ‘541 patent are identified as follows: HS407K, HS407C-V2, HE407C-GR V2, HS407CO V2, HS507K, HS507C V2, HE507C-GR V2, HE508T-RD V2 and HE508T-GR V2 (“Accused Products”) on Holosun’s website at www.holosun.com. How is it you’re so uninformed of the facts? China makes things cheaper because they steal the technology developed in other countries and are protected by their government who actively encourages the practice. Here is the Bloomberg quote Dan Z. mentions: He states several useless but not detracting features of Holosun a (overly wide & vague, unnecessary rear sight, 32moa ring annoying). Think John M. Browning w/ over 100 patents in his lifetime that we have the benefit of today. It works REALLY good! Holosun have passed ALL of Sage Dynamics brutal torture tests. The Holosun 507c MRDS (micro red dot sight) costs less and still maintains quality. Our product experts have helped us select these available replacements below.You can also explore other items in the Red Dot Sights & Accessories, Red Dot Sights yourself to try and find the perfect replacement for you! Enhance your shooting skills and create a better experience at the range by equipping your firearm with a Holosun HE508T-GR-V2 Green Dot Sight. My pc is mostly Japanese in origin, though there are some Chinese parts. You miss the main point. While companies like Apple, Microsoft, HP, etc., have their products “manufactured” in China for their American owned companies, the profits do not go to fund the Communist regime of China. An added bonus is that it makes my Glock 19x look even sexier. Damn capitalism getting in trijicons way. There are limited places to place switches to control the sight on small optical sights and the sides as a location would be obvious to a practitioner of the art. China copies everything they can get their hands on. I don’t have any issues with the Chinese. 1; Is it a quality product? Fax: +1-866-534-3097 Holosun 508T V2 Elite Green Dot Sight. But in this particular instance, “just as good” cannot be used in the pejorative sense – and that’s not up for debate. Holosun is not Canadian, they are Chinese, and while they are incorporated as their own company, they are nothing more than a brand that Huanic uses to sell their sights overseas. Government Export Restriction This item may be regulated for export by the U.S. Department of State or the US Department of Commerce. Even my own products aren’t truly 100% made in the USA because I usually have to source key materials from Australia, and India. Holosun is good enough for me, and at a price point that I can actually barely afford. The CHPWS V4 Series of adapter plates has evolved over the past five years because the OEM mounting plates are the weakest link in the Red Dot System. But problem is, about 75-80% of everything we own is manufactured or assembled or designed outside of the US. He’s a Canadian Forces infantryman, qualified marksman, avid shooter, and all that cool stuff. Notify me of follow-up comments by email. This product has been discontinued. These are the facts, and your just scared. Read more. Especially the 507TGR. The Sig Sauer (German parent company, US pistol mfgr, Chinese red-dots) aren’t even close despite the fine specs. Enjoy Free Shipping during the holidays! Return Policy. GLOCK 43X / 48 MOS to Holosun 407k / 507k Adapter Plate – PART # GLX-HLK-V2; V4 MIL / LEO MOS to Trijicon **RMRcc ONLY** V4 DEFENDER GLOCK MOS to Holosun 508T V2 (Square Face) V4 DEFENDER GLOCK MOS to TRIJICON RMR (TYPE 1 & 2) V4 DEFENDER MOS Holosun 407 / 507 / 508 (Round Face) Holosun 509T to GLOCK MOS Adapter Plate Product is above expectations and the quality is the same as trijicon except with more features for your dollar. He may not use programmable machines to do his testing, but that doesn’t invalidate his results. The lawsuit was filed in California, where HOLOSUN is based. Holosun is a Canadian company, not a Chinese company. The other thing I’ve seen is that Deltapoint and maybe the Sig Romeo claim to have non-spherical optics. I just watched the several youtube – and no Sage Dynamics does not rate Holosun over Trijicon. I read that patent that was linked to, and it is so generalized that virtually EVERY red dot on the planet would violate it. Your statement is factually incorrect. Holosun’s Cal location is just a field office for the Chinese gov’t owned Holosun. Imitation is the highest form of flattery. I couldn’t give half a sh!t where the company resides, was founded, or where the piece (sight) was made at, I care about 2 things.. If you want to throw your money away supporting ChiCom made junk, go for it. If claims are too specific, a product might not infringe because it doesn’t have all the claimed characteristics. Shop now and get Never seen you in this comments section before ese, now you’ve written pages of material under one article. There is quite a difference buying and using products made by entrepreneurs in China and buying and using products directly funded, distributed and controlled by the Chinese Communist Party, like Communist owned Holosun. Intl. Do I own or have I owned Holosun? All new V4 plates will feature our Patent Pending replaceable stainless steel T-Nuts and stainless steel Torx® head screws which are used to mount the RDS (Red Dot System) to the V4 plate giving you the ability to replace the mounting … And patents have been lost when it’s found there is prior art. JoeBob dun saved you $51.17! Yeah, if you spend your whole life inside a Walmart – it appears that China sources everything. And still paid less than I would’ve for the Trijicon. Your email address will not be published. The Holosun 509 vs the lighter Trijicon RMRs seems a fair comparison for pistols. Holosun is a Canadian company and they are just as good as Trijicon for 1/3 the price. The only unique part of the Trijicon sight that they have actually protected is the shape of the lens housing, which means they have no legal leg to stand on (if you don’t protect your patent, you are SOL). Holosun Technologies 508T Red Dot, 2 MOA Dot & 32 MOA Ring, Multi-Reticle System (Dot, Ring, Both), Black Finish, Titanium, Multicoated Lens, V2 Optics System, Shake Awake Technology, Side Battery, Solar Failsafe, Picatinny Mount HE508T-RD-V2. Holosun is essentially the same company as Surpass Technology Inc. Michigan-based Trijicon has sued HOLOSUN for infringement of a patent that’s the basis for Trijicon’s popular RMR and SRO pistol red dot sights. Bren is a SCAR rip-off, CZ75 ripped off the P35 that’s the commie way. return deadline (January 15, 2021 or 30 days after receipt of your order - whichever is later). Rated 0 out of 5 ( 0 reviews ) $ 399.99. Surpass was founded in 2011 by the a Chinese company called Huanic Corporation and is in essence the American branch of the company. Including companies who make products in China with higher QC than Holosun. Just as some people don’t want to support China, I get it. The Aimpoints have zero parallax at one distance, perhaps 50m. Violation of patents are a serious thing. All red dot sights have to have a bit of an angle on the objective to allow for the light from the LED emitter to bounce off the inside surface and be reflected to the shooter. Free Value Shipping on most orders over $49 to the contiguous 48 states, DC and to all U.S. Military APO/FPO/DPO addresses. Shop our vast selection and save! Holosun 508T V2 ELITE - BRAND NEW AND DISCONTINUED. So they’re torturing women and murdering children now? $364.69 $309.99 Company info. I love the people who cite battery life as an excuse, as if most of you are actually going to use that 50,000 run time. The Bren and the Scar were developed at the exact same time. Brightness Sftting - 10 DLt & 2NV Compatible. ; states clearly the Holoson 507 is not good for a full-size pistol (508 & 509 have similar windows as RMR, 507 is very small). Maybe if I had to storm the beaches of Normandy, or fight in Felisha I’d consider the trijicon, but I don’t have the government’s money, as a matter of fact they took it from me, the toughest tactical application I have is checking down the hall and into the den when the wife leaves the tv on. Whats made in Chy-na is stolen by Chy-na!!! Most of their stuff is USA made, but not all of it. I don’t care if my equipment is assembled in Chy-nah, all I care about is whether it will work when I need it to save my life. The 507C V2 red dot sight is a shining example of what you can expect from the Holosun family of shooting optics. Vortex (US company, but red-dot mfgr in China , Japan, Phillipines [maybe Phillipines makes the cut]]) leaves me cold . Does anyone want to guess how many times American gun companies have been sued for copying the patented inventions of other Americans, French, German, Japanese, Chinese, blah blah blah blah …. China is not our friend or ally. You make the call. While that might not matter to some, it matters greatly to others. I went with Holosun because of best value. You need to put down the UuuuTube for a while brother. I’ll stick with my Holosun 508T and reap the benefits. The company I worked for was having to answer for the fake product that we did not make because it was disguised to look like ours but we found some tell tale clues which lead to China and we had the funds to be able to investigate and track to the manufacturer in China. Check out Sage Dynamics’s video on each. Reality is a bit different. China makes good shit, often better than what anyone else can make for cheaper. Golly I wonder if TruGlo copied ’em too!. Some nations like Japan & S.Korea prop up and subsidize their preferred biz by government force & money — an anti-competitive action that harms all parties – C+ grade.. China props up their biz in an increasingly clear attempt to decimate competition unfairly (let’s ignore the human rights abuses unseen since Nazi rule) – far worse IMO – F- grade. Because a very large percentage are made in China, and the Chinese government profits greatly from them. December 5, 2020, by Wont be free for long if you keep supporting the China with your purchases. The glass both refracts and reflects the light. Consider how much of your tax dollars (about one third) go to supporting your un/under- employed neighbors SNAP, EIC, Medicaid and you IMO lose money buying Holosun. We TRY to buy American. Holosun makes air-soft grade gear not worth a fraction of what you pay for it. Yes, it is. Well, yeah. You don’t *have* To buy Chinese made electronics. Holosun, Red Dot Sights. Here I am, a month later and no sight nor any emails from the company indicating the status of my order. This edition is a discontinued model, configured with large brightness buttons on the vertical post. 2; Is it worth the price? UPDATE: We reached a representative of Trijicon and they declined to comment on the pending litigation. Thanks Obummer. …the Holosun red dot sights that infringe one or more claims of the ‘541 patent are identified as follows: HS407K, HS407C-V2, HE407C-GR V2, HS407CO V2, HS507K, HS507C V2, HE507C-GR V2, HE508T-RD V2 and HE508T-GR V2 (“Accused Products”) on Holosun’s website at www.holosun.com. This would, if ruled in favor of Trijicon, make a great case for quashing the USPTO’s issuing of such ludicrously frivolous patents further up the food chain. If it’s found a university created the same thing before and it’s public domain then poof it’s gone. I REALLY can’t understand why so many ppl post crackpot theories w/o examining the facts. Review this product. The tiger economies are easily competing with China in that market. God I hate Mitt Romney. I’ve been in the comments and have contributed content published on this blog for years. Multiple Reticle System (MRS) 32 MOA Circle & 2 MOA Dot, 2 MOA Dot, 32 MOA Circle Having three reticle choices is fun but the single dot is most applicable for me. I buy American whenever possible. We should bring our manufacturing back from overseas, China in particular. Yes there are times that I simply have no other choice but to buy a foreign product. I have some of these and I prefer them over the RMR, Trijicon just pissed they taking their RMR business! I compared both king and hard, in the end the trijicon was simply not worth $200 more just for the name. https://patents.google.com/patent/US8443541B2/en. He just signed an EO today to bring back essential manufacturing to the US. Yes, a 510C Elite sit’s atop my bullpup 12 ga. and it’s seen a fair few high velocity rounds, they’re only thing that makes it cycle proper. If ever there was a time to buy American, after this virus it should be NOW. Holosun HS507C-V2 Multi-Reticle 2 MOA and 32 MOA Circle Parallax Free Pistol Red Dot Optical Sight with Solar Failsafe and Shake Awake, Red 4.7 out of 5 stars 445 $309.99 $ 309 . Then why has holosuns sights outperformed trijicons on sage dynamics reviews? All of Trijicon’s optics are made in America. I’ll take that bet! That gun was standard issue for Soviet police and army, I’ve heard. I wouldn’t buy Holosun anyway post Covid, now I won’t buy Trijicon either because being petty is lame. Holosun headquarters is in China and they’re part of the Chinese military industrial complex. I recently put this on a shadow systems mr920 and I am very impressed with the over all build and materials. And Mauser sued for patent infringement too, AND WON. I bought the Holosun, two extra mags, and some CR123s for my Streamlight. Interesting comments….my thought: it’s America, buy what you want. With our Hassle-Free Extended Holosun HS507C-V2 Multi-Reticle 2 MOA and 32 MOA Circle Parallax Free Pistol Red Dot Optical Sight with Solar Failsafe and Shake Awake, Red 4.7 out of 5 stars 444 $309.99 $ 309 . Holosun is definitely a competent & decent and sufficiently reliable red-dot for duty use at a SLIGHTLY lower price. I've included manufacturer claims regarding battery life … CZ rips of designs all the time. You may own things assembled in other countries, but the parts ALL come from China when it comes to electronics like computers/cell phones. It is called CAPITALISM. Owners, workers, profits all Chinese. The HS507C is an open reflex optical sight designed for pistol applications. Toll-Free: +1-800-504-5897 Umm Sorry but Holsun like say Olight are 100% Chinese. Don’t post if you’re too lazy to research what you’re talking about. It is very nice. If you voted for the past several presidents, then stop whimpering. If the answer is YES then I’ma buy it. I have slowly warmed up to Holosun (I’ve kept to more well-known brands like Trijicon, Aimpoint, and Leupold). So NO WAY – Sage Dynamics’ top choice is not the Holosun. the 50k hours for Holosun are entirely due to the shake-on feature – otherwise it’s a 4k-hr device. Holosun HE508T-GR-V2 Green Dot Sight has been discontinued by Holosun and is no longer available. To add to what you said, for the shills saying Holosun is a Canadian company. That being said, many times, the best products are American, so many of the things I use are, indeed, American. CR1632 are 16mm in diameter and 3.2mm thick. Agreed my man, but this isn’t the case. Made in America doesn’t always mean made in America, it can be as low as 60% in some cases. Sitting by and laughing at all of the “I ONLY BUY AMERICAN” people. Trijicon Inc. filed a patent complaint with the U.S. International Trade Commission on July 29, saying that Holosun Technologies Inc., of Los Angeles County, is working with a manufacturer in China to sell “red dot” sights that replicate features on which Trijicon has held a patent since 2013. American companies have been trying for years. Features include Holosun’s Super Red LED with up to 50k hours battery life, Multi-Reticle System, Solar Failsafe and Shake Awake. Of course, most here aren’t technicians, so they have no idea the level of ignorance they espouse. He punishes equipment to see if it will last, and he’s very honest. How about American companies start offering competitive products at a competitive price ???? I fully understand that the phone is made in China but it was designed by an American company and the profits and many of the jobs are in America. Sure there are others, just listing what I own. I just could not afford Trijicon or Aimpoint. being built in China by Chicoms. “China”?? Trump is the first and only president in my lifetime that has taken a stand against Chinese intellectual property theft. SKU HS507C-V2-Holosun. I would have thought that such patents had timed out. But, the Holosun seems to be a superior product at 1/3 of the price. Plant and animal cell organelles venn diagram. As Bloomberg Quint reports . The housing shapes of the Holosuns are generic shapes, not even close to the Trijicon protected housing. Our product experts have helped us select these available replacements below.You can also explore other items in the Red Dot Sights & Accessories , Red Dot Sights yourself to try and find the perfect replacement for you! I believe that the patent figure at top shows a Mangin mirror arrangement. Read more. Its Japan but still not full supporting the USA. : +1-847-513-6201 Email: sales@opticsplanet.com, 9AM-7PM CST Mon-Fri And lest I be berated as a low round count something or other, I’ve been shooting regularly since the 70s and currently own and use five optics of various makes…not of whose productions funds the Chinese government. Out of Stock. We want companies to not only invest in new technology but to get them to do so we incentivize them to make the technology available to society as a whole. I’d rather my money go to somewhat western friendly countries like Korea or Taiwan rather then a communist shit stain like China. Let’s be clear – some nations let companies compete and fail on their own – ideal for markets&consumers – US & Sweden get the nod [Yes, Chrysler & GM bailouts and Swedish biz programs are a negative, Phillipines tax rebate are IMO acceptable/negative too] – a, A- grade. America ripped off Mauser, too, don’t forget — remember the 1903 Springfield? You are welcome to disagree w my valuations but the facts speak for themself. Alexz, Will Vortex be offering a similar product to the 507K soon, and how “American” is their company and manufacturing? Lol the Holosun’s are nice but they’re not superior. Which means 100% American down to only the company is American when I have no option. Brownells is your source for Red Dot Sights,Electronic Sights at Brownells parts and accessories. I also looked at Aimpoint and many others. Holosun C Issue 1: A friend of mine also owns a Holosun. We'll even cover the cost of return shipping. Rather than innovate or improve call in the lawyers. The 507 fairs worse but passes on the drop-test. All of the micro reflex red dot sights on this list feature "CR" batterries of varying sizes. Close but no cigar! It’s NOT a Canadian company. Example I have M&P 2.0 semi-auto pistols. Sage Dynamics is just another former veteran firearms/tactics training company. I’mma put my 2 cents here: I don’t know why you wish to defend them so vociferously. https://uslhs.org/mangin-mirror These optics are designed with Shake AwakeTM technology that senses motion to power the sight on and off and last setting recall ensures you don't lose your customized options once the unit powers down. C/ I agree “made in USA” does not mean much but “made in a repressive regime that sells the vital organs of political dissidents” does. Reflex red dot sights can have tremendous battery life, measured in thousands of hours or even years. Holosun HE508T-GR-V2 Green Dot Sight has been discontinued by Holosun and is no longer available. Anyone who asserts these are “scientific” is a fool – he doesn’t even produce any quantifiable test results. … Agreed, I’d love to be able to buy a made in US product, sadly Trijicon is the only name in that game and they have let the RMR languish and have kept their prices high. Yes I also have the dual-illuminated rmr. Patent applications like that should be tossed in the garbage where they belong. On point. Holosun HE508TRDV2 HE 508T-V2 1x Red 2 MOA Dot/32 MOA Circle Black. DirtyOldMick is very wrong. Without innovation, Trijicon is just gonna end up like Remington, another arrogant old benemoth ready to be forgotten by the consumers. Your posts are childish, like someone is threatening to steal your pacifier. 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It is powered by a CR2032 battery and Holosun’s innovative Solar Fail-safe back up. Description Additional information Description. Get over it. You all are so full of it your eyes are brown. Similar to Nike with its shoes to sports teams, I imagine Trijicon offers LE and military discounts and the rest of us subsidize the cost. June 19, 2020, by China isn’t the only Asian country making electronics. If that’s all that matters to you – then you aren’t considering the total costs of ownership. Unfortunately, a single bullet can destroy a glass searchlight reflector, so the French military stuck with polished sheet metal reflectors. Reading the full patent now to see if there’s anything more to this. I'd love to review this dot sight but can't, since I never received it. HS507C -- The HS507C is an open reflex optical sight designed for pistol applications. Taken a stand against Chinese intellectual property theft not associated with Holosun in way... 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